tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post748438465410358543..comments2023-10-18T15:20:33.029+01:00Comments on cesarean debate (now caesareanbirth.org): Cesarean delivery protects against fecal incontinencecesarean debatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-59146923181165699572008-11-04T19:49:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:49:00.000+00:00birthkeeper - Following your 'rape' comment/questi...birthkeeper - Following your 'rape' comment/question, I am going to politely bow out of further discourse on this subject with you.<BR/><BR/>My apologies for any inconvenience but you have allowed what I hoped might be a tolerant and respectful debate on the subject of PCD to deteriorate into one of insult and ignorance.cesarean debatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-4445374613815784462008-11-04T19:39:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:39:00.000+00:00Silly women. Why should we demand better care, whe...Silly women. Why should we demand better care, when we can sign up for elective surgery! <BR/><BR/>Are you of the camp that women who get raped, "ask for it"? <BR/><BR/>Because essentially, that's what you're saying. ;)Christine Fiscer, Birthkeeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620390732672123849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-48442374809586861482008-11-04T19:29:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:29:00.000+00:00Anonymous - My risk-benefit comparison takes into ...Anonymous - My risk-benefit comparison takes into account the available research on ACTUAL birth outcomes in hospitals since this is where 90-99% of births take place. <BR/><BR/>If the care is 'shoddy' (your word), this doesn't change the facts. A woman cannot make her birth plan decision based on an ideal scenario of care that does not actually exist. She can only make her decision based on evidence of the reality she will experience.cesarean debatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-2292593185814342482008-11-04T19:11:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:11:00.000+00:00I read the first few articles on this blog with in...I read the first few articles on this blog with interest. I always try to figure out the mindset behind choosing an elective procedure which will affect both the future of the mother and child. The fact that you aren't comparing good care to surgery, instead you are comparing our current shoddy state of care with an optional major surgery really reveals the truth of this. Obstetrical care has become a heinous torture that damages women so much they prefer the controlled damage of a cesarean. Sad that women are resulting to that rather than standing up and refusing to be treated badly. ACOG's President once said that they could shift the balance if they could get cesareans to 50% because the only vaginal births that would be occurring would be so bad that women would choose cesareans, freeing OB's to do only them. I guess they were right. Torture women long enough and they will agree to anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-52630471571349360292008-11-04T17:51:00.000+00:002008-11-04T17:51:00.000+00:00Actually, it IS entirely PREDICTABLE. The more wom...Actually, it IS entirely PREDICTABLE. <BR/><BR/>The more women avoid unnecessary intervention ( mainly induction, epidural, and episiotomy ), the less they will see issues with FI. <BR/><BR/>But that's too easy! <BR/><BR/>Let's perform major abdominal surgery where the woman risks major infection, a baby ending up in the NICU, possible long term effects....to avoid the possibility of fecal incontinence. <BR/><BR/>That's SO much better than avoiding an epidural.Christine Fiscer, Birthkeeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620390732672123849noreply@blogger.com