tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post4671224325458796444..comments2023-10-18T15:20:33.029+01:00Comments on cesarean debate (now caesareanbirth.org): Is it so shocking that fear of labor pains may be behind some cesarean deliveries?cesarean debatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-72396243340315558632008-11-04T19:46:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:46:00.000+00:00birthkeeper - I have never felt that I 'robbed' my...birthkeeper - I have never felt that I 'robbed' my baby daughter of anything. I am happy with my birth decision, my birth experience and my beautiful baby daughter.<BR/><BR/>I think that some of your anger and intolerance of cesarean surgery as a legitimate choice comes from your own obviously upsetting and traumatic experiences. <BR/><BR/>I am sorry that this has been your experience, and I respect your subsequent personal birth preference, but please, don't assume that women like me are categorically being 'abused' in hospitals. That is simply not the case.cesarean debatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-35440541209173958072008-11-04T19:36:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:36:00.000+00:00Because no one is allowing the baby to be born in ...Because no one is allowing the baby to be born in his/her own time. <BR/><BR/>Women who choose elective cesareans rob their babies of the birth that they deserve. Babies are being hurt by this. And so are women. Even if it comes up years later. I feel badly for babies who are cut out of their mothers' womb before they are ready. I feel badly for babies who are cut out of their mothers' womb at all. Even when it's necessary, and I'm very grateful for necessary and life saving cesareans, I still mourn the baby's entrance into this world. It's important, and it matters.<BR/><BR/>And don't you ever ask what leads a woman to CHOOSE major abdominal surgery versus a natural childbirth? Could it be the widespread ignorance surrounding childbirth? Could it be the constant abuse that occurs in the hospital? Could it be the coercion, the fear, and the unnecessary battery?<BR/><BR/>I feel very sorry that you have such a skewed view of childbirth.Christine Fiscer, Birthkeeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620390732672123849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-58311631668731363512008-11-04T19:23:00.000+00:002008-11-04T19:23:00.000+00:00birthkeeper - From everything I have read, women a...birthkeeper - From everything I have read, women are most dissatisfied with 'unwanted' cesarean deliveries, and they are highly satisfied when the cesarean is 'wanted.'<BR/><BR/>If these women (myself included) are happy with our birth experiences, why does this make you so angry?cesarean debatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-11135713475712039312008-11-04T18:57:00.000+00:002008-11-04T18:57:00.000+00:00Cesarean Debate - Maybe you'd like to come and han...Cesarean Debate - <BR/><BR/>Maybe you'd like to come and hang out on the ICAN list for a while, and see just how many women and babies have been harmed by cesareans. <BR/><BR/>Maybe you'd like to see the reviews of the higher incidense of late-term prematurity, with a higher prevalence being amongst induction and cesarean babies. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure you're not really of the belief that medical studies are not skewed. <BR/><BR/>The interesting part is that you are pointing out a study that shows, in most instances, a risk of less than 1% of infant mortality in babies going beyond 41 weeks. <BR/><BR/>You can't really be comparing this to the risks associated with elective cesareans? You'd be stringing yourself up by doing so. <BR/><BR/>Studies actually show a higher rate of stillbirth at 38 weeks, versus 41 weeks. Should we induce, or surgically remove babies before the 38 week mark? <BR/><BR/>Your over all beliefs about cesarean sections demonstrates one of two things. A lack of education about natural childbirth - and I do not merely mean vaginal birth, or a completely skewed view of birth in general.Christine Fiscer, Birthkeeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620390732672123849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-31466886833299252152008-11-04T18:43:00.000+00:002008-11-04T18:43:00.000+00:00birthkeeper - A large number of medical studies pr...birthkeeper - A large number of medical studies precisely contradict what you are saying about delivery at 39 weeks confirmed gestation.<BR/><BR/>Your suggestion of leaving everything (including the bay's readiness to be born) to Mother Nature is again, contrary to medical evidence and opinion. Please read the 2008 study 'Increased neonatal mortality among normal-weight births beyond 41 weeks of gestation in California, Bruckner et al' for just one example of this evidence. <BR/><BR/>You comment about 'holding off on elective cesareans altogether' demonstrates one of two things. A lack of medical professional experience and understanding, or alternatively, a different tolerance of risk when it comes to the safety of your baby than that of other women.cesarean debatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01711913972260724246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4181472671648618071.post-69436987541869541242008-11-04T17:49:00.000+00:002008-11-04T17:49:00.000+00:00Pre-term delivery is not just defined by prior to ...Pre-term delivery is not just defined by prior to 36/37 weeks. <BR/><BR/>Pre-term can also be defined as the period before the baby is ready to be born. <BR/><BR/>Some babies, had they been left alone to grow as they should have, would go to 42 weeks. An elective cesarean at 39 weeks will NOT solve the prematurity issues, or the respiratory issues. Essentially, some babies will be taken WEEKS earlier than they would have been born. Whether or not the cesarean is done at 39 weeks. <BR/><BR/>You also seem to be forgetting the main benefit to baby during a vaginal birth - the lungs being efficiently squeezed ( mother nature was smart, eh? ) during a vaginal delivery, along with the hormones FROM LABOR that aid in the expansion of the lungs. <BR/><BR/>The answer is not holding off on elective cesareans until 39 weeks. The answer is holding off on elective cesareans all together. <BR/><BR/>If for nothing else but the baby's sake.Christine Fiscer, Birthkeeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14620390732672123849noreply@blogger.com